luda 卡里姆阿布杜尔贾巴就历史上最伟大球员的辩论发表了自己的看法。“根本没有历史第一人称。因为所有选手都在独一无二的情况下打球。
我们打的位置不同、规则不同、队友不同、教练不同……这也不是拍《挑战者》呢，历史最佳不是只能有一个人。”Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on GOAT debates: "The reason there is no such thing as the GOAT is because every player plays under unique circumstances. We played different positions, under different rules, with different teammates, with different coaches..This isn’t Highlander. There can be more than one.”
[–][OKC] Kyle SinglerA_Lax_Nerd 2141 指標 5小時前
But what will I yell at people on the internet about then?
可是……可是，那我以后还朝着网线对面的JR喷啥啊?
[–][LAL] Kermit WashingtonSilkBroaway 223 指標 2小時前
We can argue if Kareem is the GOAT because he actually realized this
湖人球迷：我们现在可以争论说贾巴尔是历史第一人了，因为他是真的意识到了历史第一人争论的没意义的地方。
[–][LAL] Josh HartNaciremaBlack 1030 指標 4小時前*
Just yell fuck the Celtics
湖人球迷：不能争历史第一人了，就喊“干他良的凯尔特人”吧！
[–]SpursModsEmbezzleMoney 613 指標 4小時前
Yeah what you said, fuck the Lakers.
马刺球迷：好的。如你所愿，干他良的湖人。
[–]Pacershadesscion 264 指標 3小時前
Agreed. Fuck the Celtics and the Lakers.
步行者球迷：同意。干他良的湖人和凯尔特人！
[–][LAL] Magic Johnsondrevil7171 567 指標 3小時前
This sounds an awful lot like something #3 would say. /s
湖人球迷：呵呵呵，这很像是历史老三才会说出的话嘛！手动狗头。
[–]BullsFalt_ssb 1087 指標 4小時前
Thank you Kareem.
I don't have a favorite song, I have a collection of favorite songs that I list together.
谢谢贾巴尔。
我没有独一无二的最喜欢的歌，我有的是收纳了所有我最喜欢的歌曲的歌单。
[–]Jim631 46 指標 3小時前
Honestly, when you get right down to it, having a favorite anything is kind of weird.
My favorite food, movie, song, book, etc. all kind of depends what I'm in the mood for. I have a short list of things for all of these questions and they kind of change from time to time.
说实话，仔细想想，什么事情都要选出个“最”喜欢的来实在是很别扭。
我“最”喜欢的食物、电影、音乐、书等等……都取决于我当前的心境。我对每个事物都有那么几个很喜欢的，他们会随着时间迁移而变来变去。
[–][SEA] Shawn KempPhuddy 265 指標 4小時前
Kareem is such a G. He could easily be saying he deserves to be called the GOAT but instead has the reasonable and well thought out take that's actually very spot on.
贾巴尔真有派。他本可以直白地说他自己应该被封为历史最佳，但他没有，他的回答有理有据、考虑周到。这个回答太棒了。
[–]Maverickslpo33 87 指標 3小時前
But he has also said that Oscar > MJ and Lebron.
然而贾巴尔也说过大O比乔丹和詹姆斯强。
[–][SEA] Shawn KempPhuddy 65 指標 3小時前
Oof Kareem...well he is entitled to his opinion
层主：呃……好吧，那贾巴尔有权表达自己的看法。
[–]Trail BlazersnotDAME 112 指標 3小時前
oscar underrated as fuck honestly
说实话大O被低估得厉害。
[–][LAL] Jerry Westprestoncollins 92 指標 3小時前
None of us watched him play so we just say that it’s not possible for him to be better than Lebron and Jordan. Dude put up insane stats and if Kareem says something, there’s at least a bit of truth to it
湖人球迷：因为我们没人看过他打球，所以我们就说他不可能比乔丹和詹姆斯厉害。大O砍下了惊世骇俗的数据，如果贾巴尔也赞扬他，那这么说也不是完全不靠谱的。
[–]Mavericksxrixxirx 622 指標 4小時前*
- You 你
- Can’t 不能
- Name 说
- Anyone 任何人是
- GOAT 历史最佳
- Theyre 他们
- All 都是
- Special 很特别的
- Players 球员
- Joe Ingles. 乔-英格尔斯
[–]76ersindoninjah 146 指標 3小時前
I think your list is backwards
我觉得你排反了。
[–]Mavericksxrixxirx 103 指標 3小時前
I numbered it correctly, but reddit reversed the numbers. And I don’t care enough to change it
层主：我原本排的是对的，但这网站自动把数字顺序都颠倒了！我就懒得改了！
[–][SAS] LaMarcus Aldridgehelenalena 68 指標 3小時前
You deserve to go to jail
你该进监狱！
[–]HornetsIamOlderthanMe 140 指標 5小時前
Kareem is such a nerd.
天勾好呆。
[–]NotADoctorFremulon 82 指標 3小時前
Yes, that Highlander is something I would have expected from Duncan, the D&D master.
是啊，我觉得《挑战者》这词从《龙与地下城》专家邓肯嘴里说出来还差不多。
[–]Sunstisdue 145 指標 5小時前
I've always looked at it by era. Like, Kareem was the best of his era. Jordan the best of the last era. And Lebron is the best of this era. Booker will be the best of the next era, etc etc. ;)
太阳球迷：我总是分时代讨论这个话题的。比如天勾是他那个时代的最佳；乔丹是上个时代的最佳；詹姆斯是这个时代的最佳。布克会成为下个时代的最佳，嘻嘻：）
[–]NetsLanaRhoades- 222 指標 5小時前
You think Trevor Booker will be that good, i mean he can hustle but i admire your optimism
篮网球迷：你竟然觉得特雷沃-布克会那么强啊？他打球是很拼命，但我很敬佩你的乐观精神啊……
[–]Timberwolvesedgykitty 60 指標 4小時前
No he means Trevor Booker's brother Devin Booker, who's playing for Bayern Munich
他指的是特雷沃-布克的弟弟德文-布克，目前正效力于拜仁慕尼黑。
[–]Lakerswouldstillsmash 23 指標 3小時前
No one ever claims picking a GOAT is an exact science, but it's a fun thing to do. Comparing players even with our limited information and our vague concepts of "greatness" is just one of the enjoyable parts of being an NBA fan.
湖人球迷：从没有人称评选历史最佳是一门严谨的科学，但这么争论确实很有意思。我们通过我们有限的知识和对于“最伟大”一词模糊的定义来比较球员，这是作为NBA球迷所能做的最有趣的事情之一。
[–]NetsLanaRhoades- 124 指標 5小時前
Yeah, the most accurate way to do it is to go GOAT by era
Ironically Kareem was the GOAT of the absolute worse era
是的，评选历史最佳的最准确的方法是分时代评选。
讽刺的是，天勾是完完全全最差的时代的第一人。
[–]NotADoctorFremulon 163 指標 3小時前*
Kareem won Finals MVP in an era where the league feature Bird, Magic, and MJ, and that was in his late 30's.
天勾在大鸟、魔术师、乔丹那个时代拿到了FMVP，而那时他已经快40了。
And the 70's was the era when the league had the most parity. He played against some beastly C's in one of the toughest eras. Nate Thurmond. Wilt. Bob Lanier. Wes Unsled. Dave Cowens. Bill Walkon. And if you thought the 80's were tough, witht he Bad Boys Pistons, you haven't seen the 70's. Every team had an enforcer, and the violence was so bad it culminated in the Rudy-T punch. The paint was brutally violent int eh 70's and the league likely had as many fights as the NHL.
70年代的联盟是实力最平均的。贾巴尔在最强硬的年代之一着史上最禽兽的几个中锋都较量了一番。内特-萨蒙德、张伯伦、鲍勃-拉尼尔、昂塞尔德、戴夫-考文斯、比尔-沃顿。如果你因为活塞坏孩子军团而觉得80年代残酷，那你肯定是没看过70年代的球。每个队都有打手，暴力盛行，随着鲁迪-汤姆贾诺维奇挨的那一拳达到顶峰。70年代的禁区内就是凶残的暴力地带，打架层出不穷跟冰球似的。
Then in his mid-late 30's he played against and beat the likes of Hakeem and Sampson on the same team (though he lost to them as well), Ewing, Moses, Parish. And these young bucks were taking lessons from him and watching him hoist up the finals MVP.
之后，贾巴尔35-39岁时对抗并击败了同时拥有大梦+桑普森的火箭（不过贾巴尔也输给过他们）、尤因、摩西-马龙、罗伯特-帕里什。那些年轻的i小伙子都在向贾巴尔取经，目睹他捧起FMVP奖杯。
[–]Lakersbluephoenix27 66 指標 5小時前
Seeing what old man Wilt could do in flashes in Kareem's era, even against Kareem himself, I think a solid case can be made that Wilt would've been better in Kareem's era if he was in his prime. Kareem is obviously still the GOAT of his era though.
湖人球迷：看看年迈的张伯伦在贾巴尔时代如何为所欲为吧，就算是对贾巴尔本人也不落下风。所以如果张伯伦在贾巴尔时代打球时还是巅峰的话，我觉得可以负责任地说张伯伦会比贾巴尔强的。不过天勾仍然是他那个时代当之无愧的第一。
[–]IamDocbrown 70 指標 4小時前
Kareem was the GOAT of the absolute worse era
“天勾是完完全全最差时代的第一人”。
This is exactly why doing it by era isn't the most accurate way to do it.
It seems like you're completely missing kareem's point to say that there is a "best way to do it", when the truth is there really is no best way to compare players across eras because the circumstances were so vastly different and all of those circumstances were outside of the players hands.
这就是分时代评最佳球员这一方法不准确的原因。
你说评选历史第一人有什么最好的方式，明显就是完全没懂天勾要表达的意思。事实上根本没有跨时代比较球员的最好方法。因为境遇的差别太大，而且那些差异都不是球员能掌控的。
One day, science and medicine is going to be so advanced that there will be multiple players with Lebron like durability, versatility and strength and somebody like you will say "Lebron was good but his era was so much weaker than today's", which may be true....but it will still be something that has absolutely nothing to do with how great Lebron was in his era.
总有一天，科学和药物会很先进，那时会有很多球员都拥有了詹姆斯一般的耐操能力、全能性和力量，然后就会有很多像你这样的人会说“从前的詹姆斯很强，但他那个时代比现在弱多了。”这话可能没错……但这完全跟詹姆斯在他所属时代的伟大没关系。